Questions about the existing system
I don’t believe banks can create money out of nothing.
Many people would be surprised to learn that even among bankers, economists, and policymakers, there is no common understanding of how new money is created. The confusion comes because the reality of modern banking is complex and partially hidden. In researching for the guide to the UK monetary and banking system “Where does money come from?”, the authors had to piece together information that was spread across more than 500 documents, guides, manuals and papers from central banks, regulators and other authorities. Few economists have time to do this research first-hand and most individuals in the financial sector only have expertise in a small area of the system, meaning that there is a shortage of people who have a truly accurate and comprehensive understanding of the modern banking and monetary system as a whole. Regarding the Vickers report, unfortunately their analysis is still based on a textbook model of banking that believes that banks simply take money from savers and lend this money to borrowers. Our response to the Vickers report can be found here.
Aren't you just talking about the money multiplier model of banking?
The money multiplier should be ignored as it is confusingly wrong. It has been disproven time and time again, both empirically and through descriptions given by central bankers. For example, Charles Goodhart said over 20 years ago that the Money Multiplier is: ‘…such an incomplete way of describing the process of the determination of the stock of money that it amounts to misinstruction’. For empirical evidence see this paper by the Fed, or this one for the UK.
The money multiplier assumes various things. Firstly, a bank needs deposits before it can make loans. This is demonstrably false: banks create deposits by making loans. This also confuses reserves with deposits not lent.
Secondly, the Government can control the amount of money created by the banking sector by altering the reserve ratio and amount of ‘base money’ in circulation. Again, this is untrue – there is no reserve ratio in the UK. Even if there was the Bank of England cannot use it to control the total money supply created by banks. Furthermore the central bank cannot even control the amount of base money in circulation – by not lending to commercial banks when they wish to borrow the central bank can create a liquidity and possible a solvency crisis, which goes against its mandate to protect financial stability.
Thirdly, the money multiplier assumes that the amount of money created by banks is mathematically limited.
The money multiplier view lead economists to see banks as mere intermediaries, without real importance. Because of this they could make models which did not include banks, money or debt. This was a primary reason why most economists didn’t see the financial crisis coming.
Commercial banks create credit credit, not money!
Furthermore, the Government guarantees to repay the money in your bank account if your bank goes bust, making whatever is in your bank account money rather than credit.
While the idea that most new money is created by the likes of Barclays, HSBC, Lloyds and RBS rather than the Bank of England will be a surprise for most members of the public (although not as much of a shock as if you tried to convince them that their bank deposits were not really money at all), it is well-known to those working in central banks. For some quotes from central bankers on money creation by private banks see here.
Is money destroyed when loans are repaid?
Part of the confusion around this issue may be due to talking at cross purposes, and confusion as to the difference between reserves and deposits. In short, when loans are repaid the customer’s deposit is extinguished, as is the bank’s loan asset, decreasing the total amount of bank-created money in the hands of the public. However, the reserves or cash which are used to pay off the loan are not extinguished, and become assets of the bank.
How can banks run out of money/go bust?
Going bust
In brief, banks create money by making loans, and go bust when they owe more than they are owed and own (when their liabilities are worth more than their assets). When a bank makes a loan it opens an account for the borrower (which it counts as a liability) who in return agrees to repay the principle (which it counts as an asset) plus any interest. The money a bank creates is a debt which it owes to the borrower – it is not the same as printing ten pound notes and using them to pay off your debts.
If a bank is insolvent then making lots of loans increase the bank’s assets and its liabilities in step with each other. Consequently this will not improve the banks solvency position in the short run. While making loans will increase the bank’s assets in the long run (and thus bring it out of insolvency) a bank run is likely to occur before then.
Running out of money
When you transfer money from your bank account your bank settles this transaction by using something called central bank reserves. Only the central bank can create this type of money, and therefore it is entirely possible for private banks to run out of it.
When depositors spend their money central bank reserves flow from their bank to the bank of the business they are buying from. If all banks expand their lending at the same rate, the outflows of reserves will broadly match the inflows from other banks. However, if one bank is increasing its lending faster than the others, then it will have a constant outflow of reserves to the other banks. Banks may borrow reserves from other banks; however in times of financial stress other banks may be unwilling to lend their reserves in case the bank they are lending to goes bust. This is essentially what happened to Northern Rock.
If bank can create money then why aren't they “lending” to businesses?
Banks therefore don’t like lending money unless they are sure they are going to be repiad. This is one of the reasons why banks prefer to lend for asset purchases, such as housing. The house serves as collateral on the loan, which the bank can reposses and sell if the borrower is unable to repay. This is also the reason banks prefer to lend to large rather than small businesses – they have real assets which can be seized if the firm defaults on the loan.
If the banks only own 5% of the National Debt (ie. £50bn), how was it possible for the QE programme to buy £275bn of gilts from the banks?
Why is it wrong for bankers to make a profit?
Questions and objections to Positive Money's proposals
Wouldn’t “printing” new money just push up prices and make everything more expensive?
However, people have learned from history that allowing governments to create new money is a recipe for inflation. So a conventional knee-jerk response to the proposed monetary reform is that it will be inflationary. It is true that money creation by feudal and monarchical governments in the past and by elected governments more recently has led to inflation. But that does not mean inflation will result from giving an operationally independent central bank responsibility for creating new money directly, as we propose. The Monetary Policy Committee will be instructed to consider the needs of the economy as a whole in deciding how much new money should be injected into the economy. The needs or desires of the elected government do not factor in this decision at all. In fact, the members of the MPC should be expressly forbidden from considering political matters or the intentions of the current government in making the decision. Monetary reform in those new circumstances will enable the Bank to control inflation more effectively, not less effectively, than at present.
Why do we need new money created? Can’t we have a fixed money supply?
How Would Banks Make Loans?
- The money that bank customers have given to the bank for the purposes of investment (specifically, the money that bank customers have used to open Investment Accounts.
- The bank’s own funds, for example from shareholders or retained profits.
- Any borrowings from the Bank of England (when permitted).
In contrast with the current system, all money in Transaction Accounts (which would currently be held in ‘current’ accounts) is ‘off limits’ to the bank’s loan-making side of the business.
Wouldn’t these reforms lead to a credit crunch during the transition?
How will the increased seasonal needs of credit be sorted after the reform?
My concern is that the opportunities that credit can give people will not be available.
Do your proposals mean home ownership will become out of reach for anyone who doesn’t already own a home?
Wouldn’t the money multiplication still be possible in a full reserve system as well?
If you contrast this with fractional reserve banking, when a bank makes a loan they do not reduce the value of anyone’s account, they simply open a new account for the borrower. Thus new purchasing power is created when loans are made, and new money is created – deposits increase. Full-reserve banking does not allow the quantity of deposits to increase when loans are made, and therefore doesn’t allow total purchasing power to increase. Of course, you can still have a chain of debts through Investment Accounts, but the total level of lending will be dependent on the number of people who are willing to tie up their funds in an Investment Account.
What will be the improvement on the existing system?
How will the new money will be spent?
- reduce the overall tax burden
- increase government spending
- make direct payments to citizens (sometimes referred to as a ‘citizen’s dividend’)
- pay down the national debt
The exact mix of the above will depend on the priorities and ideology of the government of the day. Since the newly created money will simply be added to tax revenue, there is no need for a special process to decide how to spend it. If the public have elected a government that promises to increase public spending, then the government can justifiably use the money for this purpose. Likewise, if the public elected a government that promised to reduce the overall tax take, then the government can use the money to this end (by using this money to cover existing spending and reducing the overall tax take). Read in more detail about each option here. We don’t aim to make proscriptive recommendations – How the money should be spent is a political decision and not for us to decide.
How will the reform make banks more stable?
The stability in the new system arises from the fact that the funds a bank uses to make loans are now ‘locked in’ – customers can no longer demand them back whenever they choose. As a result, the bank knows: a) What it will need to repay to customers who have made investments, and when. b) What it will receive from borrowers making repayments on their loans, and when. The risk of any bank or all banks suffering a ‘cashflow crisis’ is significantly lower post-reform than under the existing banking system, for the following reasons:
- Unlike the present day banking system, the post-reform banking system is not pro-cyclical. This means that the banking system will not create debt-fuelled booms that soon turn into economic crashes, causing a wave of defaults. Consequently, each bank’s loan portfolio is likely to be far safer than under the current system.
- The economy will be generally more benign. Without regular banking-fuelled boom and bust cycles, recessions will be less frequent and less severe. If a million people are no longer thrown out of employment every few years, then fewer people will run into financial difficulties, and therefore fewer borrowers will be forced to default.
- Because the bank has limited funds for making loans (and because each loan does not create new deposits), the incentive for loan-making departments shifts from lending as much as possible, to finding good quality borrowers to lend to. As a result, the banks are less likely to lend to bad-risk borrowers, and consequently the overall quality of a bank’s loan portfolio should be higher, making defaults less likely.
- There will be no bail-outs of bad banks after the reform. If a bank is judged to be badly managed or have made bad investments across the board, meaning that all holders of Investment Accounts are likely to lose money, then the bank in question should be wound down, broken up and sold off to either healthier banks or debt collection firms. In the post-reform system, winding down a bank would be far easier and cheaper than under the existing system, for the following reasons:
The funds placed in Transaction Accounts are 100% safe, held separately from the bank’s investments in the bank’s Customer Funds Account at the Bank of England.
The taxpayer and government has no exposure or responsibility whatsoever for the funds owed to holders of Investment Accounts. The Investment Account holders would become creditors of the liquidated bank, and insolvency law would govern whether and by how much they are repaid their original investment.
Read in more detail about this here.
Is your proposal the same as ring-fencing?
Nobody would put money into a transaction account for it to effectively lose money over time?
Currently the only reason your current account is ‘risk free’ is because all the risk is passed on to the government, and therefore back onto the taxpayer (via the £85k guarantee on your account). We’re arguing that the risk should be aligned so that the people who stand to benefit from the upside also stand to benefit from the downside. But if you want instant access to the money, it can’t be invested at the same time, so you’d have to give up your return for instant access.
But the Bank of England already has the ability to create money!
Would the Monetary Policy Committee really be independent?
The idea of a monetary committee is still very much open to corruption. Aren't you just creating another level of bureaucracy?
The Bank of England is private! It is the bank of the City of London, covered in a veneer of nationalisation. Handing such an institution full control of our money supply would be an insane act.
Wouldn't this solution centralize power?
It takes power from the market and gives it to the government!
The proposed reform would ‘crowd out’ investment in the private sector!
It would increase the costs of borrowing, raise the costs of payments services… and force banks to cut costs, close branches and reduce jobs.
If we change, how will the rest of the world change?
No other country is seriously considering monetary reform.
Depriving banks of the hidden subsidy will weaken their ability to compete internationally with other countries’ banks.
Questions about other reform proposals
Why not nationalise the whole banking system?
Why not increase reserve requirements on banks?
Effective regulation worked well in the fifty years between the Great Depression and the 1980s deregulation frenzy…





